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Economic Update with Ben Tal, March 2022

Benjamin Tal is responsible for analyzing economic developments and their implications for North American fixed income, equity, foreign exchange and commodities markets. He also acts in an advisory capacity to bank officers on issues related to wealth management, household/corporate credit and risk. Benjamin is a regular commentator on financial and economic trends in the Canadian and American media.      

 

 

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Thank you very much. I have about 30 minutes to tell.

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you everything I know about the situation that's maybe.

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29 minutes too much because of course nobody.

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knows we're all pretending. But clearly this level of.

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uncertainty is something that we have to deal with and try.

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to make sense out of. So we'll discuss a lot of things.

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They let me start with the list of what I would like to discuss.

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First of all, we must discuss, say, Putin, of course, and just the.

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other day, somebody asked me, what do you think Putin will do next?

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And I said, what next time I have lunch with him.

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Last game, nobody knows, including Putin himself. I.

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don't think he has an exit strategy will discuss clearly.

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the virus. It's not finished. It's not.

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done. We have to discuss the virus and.

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the coexistence Bibles and the economy. See what?

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makes sense. Clearly the elephant in the room. Inflation.

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How much sleep should we lose over inflation?

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And of course, with inflation, rising interest rates are rising the.

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key is how quickly, how quickly will interest rates.

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rise, not just how.

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Hi but how quickly the housing market, the darling?

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of the Covid recession? Is it a bubble will?

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discuss clearly the immigration factor is a very important factor.

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that is changing on a daily basis. We have to understand.

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that and of course investment implications of this.

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crazy situation will discuss let's.

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start with what's happening in.

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Europe. We have to establish one thing Russia.

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is not a superpower economically.

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speaking Russia in South Korea.

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Russia is Brazil.

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The only thing that makes Russia relevant, economically speaking.

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is energy.

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And energy is a major factor in fact.

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Tomorrow, Putin can turn the lights off on Germany.

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This is very important to understand 2011.

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March of 2011, there was the nuclear accident.

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in Japan.

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After that accident, Angela Merkel bugged in the head.

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of Germany, said. I don't want any nuclear in.

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Germany to avoid this kind of situation and.

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therefore they eliminated their nuclear capacity that.

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led to a situation in which there are no natural gas coming from.

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Russia. You wake up and about 40% of your natural.

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gas consumption is coming from Russia. You are totally dependent.

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on Russia and that's the number one reason why Germany.

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and Europe cannot go.

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With Biden banning input of energy.

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from Russia, that's very, very important, reflecting what's.

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happening. And clearly Putin knows that, and he knew.

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that before we enter Ukraine.

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No, let's go and continue with that.

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Ukraine is actually.

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Potentially an energy superpower, if.

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you look at the natural reserve natural gas reserves in Europe.

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it's the second highest in Ukraine.

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This is undeveloped reserves that can be developed.

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Second only to Norway, what it means it.

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means that an independent Ukraine a member.

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of NATO, can develop that natural gas.

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and replace Russia over time as the men.

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supplier of natural gas to Europe. That's a nightmare.

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scenario as far as far as Putin.

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is concerned. So clearly there are many reasons why is there.

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That's one of them. Energy is definitely one of them. So.

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the question is, what's next? Nobody knows there are many scenarios.

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I will not get into it.

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The best case scenario is that in.

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Ukraine will not recognize Crimea.

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Russia will take parts of.

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the South and they would call it a day.

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They put in will declare victory or.

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Doyle lost and it can get one or two lessons from.

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Mr Trump. How to do it?

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The other option is a partition of Ukraine with.

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a government puppet government in.

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the Kiev and the other government in Lviv. That's another.

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option. The third is taking over Ukraine as they all.

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and basically get into and Afghanistan type scenario nobody.

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knows. But what we do know is that the sanctions.

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that the West is imposing.

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Only Putin will determine the.

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ultimate outcome, so let's discuss those sanctions.

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and clearly we all know about the swift.

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The situation and the ban.

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on the swift transactions, people who don't know what it is, it's.

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basically the Whatsapp of international transaction basically.

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when a bank try to do something, they need this system and most.

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Russian banks now don't have access to it and.

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that's something that is preventing them from doing business. However, it's not complete, it's.

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not 100%. Why? Because we still need to send energy.

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from Russia to the West and therefore.

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you need some banks, especially those that specialize in energy.

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To have access to SWIFT, and that's exactly what's happening. So it's not.

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complete. Another thing is happening and that's the freezing.

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the FX reserves of Russia, that's.

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huge because Putin put together no less than six.

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billion of FX.

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reserves and now it's frozen in its.

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euro in gold, US dollars, Chinese Ron and.

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all other currencies. Now this is important because they cannot.

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touch, it can sell is goal 20% of the reserves.

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s in gold.

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And, but you need a buyer and this buyer might be.

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China and that's why I'm watching very, very closely.

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what China will be doing because let's face it, we.

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are in a Cold War.

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There is no way back.

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Russia is out.

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And if you are in a cold war and you are a third party.

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you have to choose.

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Whose side?

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In what China will do is crucial, because still.

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China and needs the West, but at the same time it is getting.

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closer and closer to Russia. So this.

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is something that we have to watch very carefully because it will.

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determine the nature of global economy and.

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globalization in the future of very important derivative.

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of this crisis is what China will do and its relationship.

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with the West after the crisis.

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Is over so.

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What are the implications?

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The first question is short term, is it a?

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recessionary situation?

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Or an inflationary situation and I suggest.

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that the Russian crisis is not.

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a recessionary situation for North America.

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You see, when it comes to Russia, Ukraine.

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clearly it is a recessionary situation. Now you go.

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once removed Europe.

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Western Europe, Germany, France, Italy.

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The impact here is about 0.50 point 6.

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of the GDP. Not a big deal.

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quite frankly. And we are twice removed in fact.

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Economically speaking, you might suggest that Canada is benefiting.

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from the crisis, economically speaking, because.

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of.

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GE Potash, which we.

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are major exporters of those goods that we need, so this.

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is a factor that we have to take into account another.

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factor of course is energy and energy.

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prices and what it means for the economy before we get that, let's.

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talk about the long term implications of this crisis which.

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I think are even more important. So we established that this is.

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not a recessionary scenario, it's an inflationary scenario.

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but from a long term perspective, this is clearly going to modify.

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The process of deglobalization Deglobalization started with.

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Trump was accelerated during COVID.

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And now it's actually gaining momentum, so.

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that's significant because that's of course inflationary and.

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has significant implications on trade. I'm not talking about full.

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scale deglobalization and that's why I'm watching China.

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very closely. But I suggest that it's not a stretch.

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to suggest.

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Dot 2025% of what the Americans are buying.

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from China now will come back home for many reasons.

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and that's something that have major implications another.

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factor is green the green revolution.

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will go even faster with the West realizing.

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that they need to rely more heavily because it's not just.

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Russia, it's also Saudi Arabia. It's Qatar, it's other countries.

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that the West would like to minimize the activity.

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in. So that's something that they will happen. So the green.

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Revolution will continue.

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And this crisis will accelerate that, I think.

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that Russia will be a much less significant player when.

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this madness is over and even the.

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crypto currencies I think will be closer to.

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full regulations after this crisis is over because.

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it will expose a situation in which players.

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can outmaneuver bunks when.

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they when they try to restrict the economy. And that's something.

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that the authorities would like to minimize therefore.

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I suggest that we are going to see more.

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Restrictions and regulations in the crypto space so.

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that's the long term implications of.

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the crisis that we are facing now and that's the way I see it now clearly.

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energy prices is a very important factor and we have seen basically.

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an energy shock. I will not get too much into it, but if you.

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go, if you look at this chart, you can see something very interesting.

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You go back to the 70s. Almost every oil shock.

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as you can see.

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Lead.

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Two every session.

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And people say high oil prices.

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Lead to recessions and I say no, it's not high oil prices that little.

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recessions. It's their response to higher oil.

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prices, the monetary response visa vie higher.

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interest rates that led to those sessions in.

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the 90s in the 80s and clearly in the 70s.

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So it's a mistake to suggest based on this chart.

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that oil prices themselves are recessionary. No, it's.

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the response to oil prices. And the question is.

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how sensitive the economy is now.

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to hire.

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Energy prices, and therefore our sensitive interest rates are to.

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higher oil prices and I say much less sensitive.

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than in the past. This is the energy intensity.

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of the economy as a whole and you can see that it's basically 12%.

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loyal than it was ten years ago. So this means that.

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the economy is able to take higher energy prices.

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without the same damage that we have seen a decade or two.

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decades ago. That's extremely important another very.

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important factor that will have major implications.

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on energy.

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Energy producers and investment in energy, in my opinion, is.

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discharged. Look what's happening usually when oil.

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prices go up, Alberta is busy Ceos.

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of energy companies are investing because they want.

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to increase capacity. This time we are not seeing.

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a capacity production response to.

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the crisis. Oil prices went up. We don't see.

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Canadian companies, American companies investing.

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in extra capacity. Why? Because of the green revolution.

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We know that over time Green will be replacing black.

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and if you are a CEO of an energy company.

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you are thinking twice before committing billions.

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of dollars into increasing capacity. That will not be using.

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in the future. Therefore we are not seeing.

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the production response that we've saw in.

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any other oil shock and.

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therefore the impact on the Canadian economy is not as.

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positive as in the past because usually you get the benefit.

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of extra investment.

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In the oil sector this time around, as you can see from the.

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circled area, it's not opening and it just makes.

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sense to me. So that's the way I see the situation and.

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the energy impact we have to put it in perspective. And we have seen.

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that energy prices recently are starting to slow down.

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People are talking about some sort of resolution to the crisis.

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hina is slowing down because of kovid. That's something that.

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is slowing down expectations regarding demand for.

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energy in the near future. So prices are starting to is.

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but they are still elevated their impact.

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Economy.

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It's not as significant as it used to be, so that's done now.

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let's continue and discuss other things that.

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are important now.

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2022 is the year of the Tiger the tiger.

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the most unpredictable creature audio. And that's.

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very appropriate because 2022 is a very unpredictable.

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year because of so many forces. One of them is this.

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What is that?

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Go back to your Grade 7 geometry.

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That's the number π.

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No. Why am I showing you the number?

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π during an economic presentation? Because the.

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letter PI happened to be the.

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letter after the Omicron letter.

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in the Greek alphabet.

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So you see where I'm going with that?

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If you think that you cannot get a straight forward answer from an economist.

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try a biologist. Nobody knows but everybody.

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is telling me there will be another variant. Maybe it's already.

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out there.

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So as a society, we will have to learn to live.

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with that. So we have a situation in which we have the tiger.

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And we have pie and I couldn't resist.

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I don't know if you remember this movie from 2012 life.

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of pi. It's a wonderful, wonderful movie, I.

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highly recommend it's on Netflix. If you haven't seen it, see it.

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tonight. But the point that I'm making here, of course this.

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is not doesn't have any significant, but what I'm.

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saying here is that.

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It's reasonable to assume that this year would be volatile.

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I suggest that with the spring and the summer.

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coming, the economy will be relatively strong with consumers.

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spending a lot of money pent up demand that has been.

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there, but at the same time, we will be dancing to.

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the tune of the virus and if there is another variant.

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and this has an impact on the economy, we will see.

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a kind of zig zag W shaped recovery.

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going up and down, up and down. That's something that we have to.

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learn to live with the hope and prayer is that we have.

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To deal with the next wave of whatever it is in a.

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way that will not damage economic activity in a very significant way.

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but we have to take this into account. It's not over by.

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any stretch of the imagination linked to that is.

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the fear factor, the availability factor.

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is there. We are opening up everything is there. But as you can see.

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in the case of the UK and Germany in the past few.

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months, the UK was basically open Germany.

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was not. But you look at restaurants in the chat.

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to the right basically the same namely.

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The restaurant was opened.

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But nobody showed up.

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Or less people showed up. The fear factor was dominating I.

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suggest in the spring and the summer, the fear factor will.

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diminish in North America. But again, if people are tweeting.

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about the possibility of another variant, the fear.

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factor will be there. So you can open up the economy. You.

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will not get the same amount of activity if nothing happened and.

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that's something that we have to take into account. So given all this.

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now we have to discuss.

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The elephant in the room, and that's inflation. How?

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Significant is the inflationary force here and.

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outdoor abilities, in my opinion.

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the way to deal with that is.

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to ask.

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A question about the origin of all.

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those inflationary forces, and there are many of them so.

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let's start with the big one and that's supply chain and.

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I'm asking myself how much of this supply chain issue is.

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covered because what we are seeing is something.

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amazing. Look at the chart to the left.

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This is consumption of goods, not service is good.

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In 2021.

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We have seen four years of normal consumption being.

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squeezed into that here.

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In terms of growth?

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Just to put things in perspective, this amount of consumption.

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of goods is equivalent equivalent to a situation in which.

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overnight overnight.

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You parachuted 70.

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million new Americans into.

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the US, and the minute the lender they started to spend, that's.

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what we're talking about. This is a demand shock.

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And people say yes, but never underestimate the American.

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consumer. And I say yes, but give me a break. How?

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much stuff do you need?

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We have been shopping for two years because it's easy. You press the button.

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and you get your exercise bike.

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And I suggest that all these consumption energy.

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Will be going to services.

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Because this demand shock.

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Would be enough to challenge even a normally functioning.

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supply system, and this supply system.

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is not normally functioning. It's very sick. So you have a.

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very sick supply system dealing with the mother of all demand.

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shocks. But this demand, if we open up in.

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a normal way.

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Will be going to services and.

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the point that I'm making here is that services are less inflationary.

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Why? Because their supply is more elastic.

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If you start overcharging in your restaurant I will open a.

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new one to compete with you.

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It's much easier to start a new restaurant than to establish a new manufacturing.

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facility, so therefore the point that I'm making here.

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is that.

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Tick covid out of it and you have nothing left.

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60 to 65% of inflation is.

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Supply chain.

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And all of it.

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Is due to Kovid. If you remove Covid out of.

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it and if we go with our Sumption.

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Got 2022 is a transition year between.

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the pandemic and endemic. Then I think it's reasonable.

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to assume.

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That this supply chain story will.

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start disappearing in the second half of the year.

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And will not be there in any significant way a year from now.

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That's the hope. That's the prayer. And therefore all these consumption.

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energy will go to services that's.

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one thing. So that's not very durable in terms.

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of inflationary forces, what's more durable.

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Is employment.

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The labor market.

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We all heard about the great resignation trend.

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in the US people are quitting like there is no tomorrow in.

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Canada. By the way. That's not the case and.

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in a recent survey, a record number of Canadians say.

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that we are thinking about quitting. So in the USR.

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quitting in Canada, we are thinking about quitting, that's.

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very Canadian. Nevertheless, it means that the market is tight then.

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you look at a chart of the left and you can see that many older.

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Americans are exiting the market and.

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I say if you are sixty 6568.

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And you decided you weren't copied to exit the labor market. You're not coming back?

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And that's why the participation rate in the labor market.

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in the USA is below what it was before.

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That's something that we haven't seen in Canada. Therefore the participation rate.

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is actually higher than it was before, but there is another.

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force that is extremely important and that's immigration.

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In October 2020.

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The Canadian government announced that they would like to see no.

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less than 400,000 new immigrants.

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Arriving to Canada in 2021 and people.

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said, are you crazy? How can you get 400,000?

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During Covid, nobody is flying. We got 400 and 1000. How?

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70% of them were already in Canada.

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There were students, there were non permanent residence.

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for damn it was a change in status, not a change of address.

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And just to put things in perspective, look at the chart to the right, that's.

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relative to the US we got 400,000.

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they got 500,000, but the last time I checked.

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the US is still 10 times larger than Canada, which means.

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that per capita, we have seen an inflow.

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of new immigrants six times faster than what we're seeing in the US this is.

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a new supply to the labor market that you haven't seen in.

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the USA major force impacting wages in.

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Canada relative to the US and just out of curiosity.

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I was looking at the skill set of those new immigrants relative.

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to what we need in the economy based on.

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Because the words and you can see that when it goes across the.

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45 degree line, it's it means that there.

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is nice alignment and you can see there is a nice alignment here however.

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there are few exceptions. One of them is trades and construction.

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One of the most important factors limiting.

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supply in the housing market in Canada is the.

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lack of label, specially thread and clearly construction.

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workers. How many new immigrants we got?

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In construction, basically zero. Same goes for.

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health occupations.

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We need nurses like oxygen. How?

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many did we get? 0. So clearly we need some.

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fine tuning. But overall there is nice alignment.

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between what we need and what they bring. So we have a.

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situation in which all their people exiting the.

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market in the US not in Canada and clearly we have.

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More immigrants.

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Hey, why being relative to the US and?

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therefore the supply of labor in the?

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Canadian market is larger than what you see in the US?

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and therefore most surprise wages?

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in the US are rising faster than wages in?

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Canada with major implications for the Bank of Canada?

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and the rate at which interest rates will be rising we discuss?

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it in a second.

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Now we have a situation which inflation?

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is rising, wages are rising in both countries, more in the U.

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So the question is, what's next in terms of raising interest rates?

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We know that the Bank of Canada already started the.

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Fed will be raising interest rates and we are talking about a situation.

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in which our quickly our fast first.

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we have to examine and look at the effectiveness of.

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monetary policy. Look at this is extremely important to understand.

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Look at the chart of the left. First you have the Gray line.

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And you have the red line.

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The Gray line is the official rate. the Fed funds rate.

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The red light.

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Is effective interest rates basically how much you pay?

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This is actually how much you pay. Look what happened in.

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the 19 in the 2004 five.

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six before the crisis.

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Greenspan Bugden raised into sweats from 1:25.

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basis points to.

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5%.

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Basically, over the course of breakfast.

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What happened to the red line? Basically nothing.

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That's the creative imagination of American bankers.

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That neutralize the Fed remembered all those ninja mortgages.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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So interest rates went up, but actually interest rates for normal.

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people did not go up. Same goals in 2000.

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Eighteen. You see the red line basically flood. Why?

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Because their mortgages are for 30 years, so it takes a long time.

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to impact actual payments.

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In Canada, I will, mortgages are for five.

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years.

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Therefore.

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When the Bank of Canada starts to raise interest rates.

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I will interest rates, effective interface option actually rise as.

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well. So the effectiveness of monetary policy in Canada is.

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higher than the effectiveness in the US and.

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then you have another force during the two.

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crisis, the Americans.

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went through the model of Aldi leveraging their.

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debt to income ratio went.

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down from 160 to 140 hours in.

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nada went up from 140 to 160 we?

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We assume more debt.

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Because this was not our crisis in 2008, we.

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were basically secondhand smokers.

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So when you have more debt, you're more sensitive to the risk of higher.

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interest rates. Our sensitive more than twice what?

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I mean by that according to this chart.

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Basically, if you raise interest rates in Canada by.

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100 basis point, it's equivalent to the Fed.

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raising interest rates by 200 basis points. In terms of the impact.

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on the consumer, which means that the Bank of Canada.

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is more powerful than the Fed in terms of.

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their ability to slow down the consumer and the housing market.

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So you have inflation in the US rising faster, wages are rising.

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faster and the Bank of Canada is more effective in raising.

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interest rates. You will expect that this wee little situation.

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in which the market will.

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Price in a situation in which the.

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Fed will be moving.

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More aggressively then the Bank of Canada.

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And the opposite was the case until very recently this is.

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a very important chart. If you care about interest rates and the dollar look.

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at the huge increase.

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In November of 2021, towards.

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the end of the year, we have seen the two year rate Canada.

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rising faster than the two year rate. US does this spread?

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between the two of them, which means that the market at this point was expect?

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ng expecting the Bank of Canada not the Fed.

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To be much more aggressive, in fact, at one point the.

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market priced in a situation in which the Bank of Canada would be.

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moving a full year ahead of the Fed, which didn't make any sense.

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whatsoever.

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So we have seen this line rising suggesting.

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that the market was much more aggressive on the Bank of Canada and then just?

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recently over the past few months, the market reversed that.

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red and you can see the number or the trend going down.

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to basically where it belongs.

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So this.

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Situation.

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Is responsible for this.

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Divorce, if you wish.

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Between oil prices and the dollar, usually.

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our dollar.

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Dances to the tune.

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Of oil prices and oil prices went to the sky as we know we.

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obviously the dollar moving. Why? Because over the past few months.

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the market reversed.

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It's a.

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Pricing in situation and basically expected.

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the Fed to move as aggressively as.

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the Bank of Canada as opposed to the Bank of Canada being more aggressive.

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and that basically neutralize all the potential positive.

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impact of higher oil prices on the dollar. That's the.

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reason if you ask why the dollar is not moving up, it's.

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basically the change in expectations regarding interest.

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rates in Canada. So that's something that is very important.

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There is another factor here and that's.

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Our corporations will react because until.

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now we were discussing the inflationary force and.

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the economic implications. Now central bankers.

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they are human.

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And they can make mistakes.

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The Bank of Canada and the Fed are now priced in to raise.

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interest rates.

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Maybe four or five times.

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In 2022 in some places.

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the expectations are for a more aggressive bank of Canada 6 seven times.

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And that's reasonable. I think that's fraud five times. That's fine, however.

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If for some reason, and that's extremely important from your perspective, if you care.

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about the market and interest rates.

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We know that inflation will be elevated over the next few months. That's not interesting.

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That's irrelevant. Almost. It will be elevated over.

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the next two or three months. The media would be all over it, but it's.

00:28:04.957 --> 00:28:07.457
almost irrelevant from your perspective, however.

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If by.

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August, September, October. We don't see a significant.

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softness in inflation.

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The Bank of Canada.

00:28:19.287 --> 00:28:22.297
Is risking a situation in which there will be raising it as.

00:28:22.297 --> 00:28:25.597
well as two rapidly. You see every economic recession.

00:28:25.597 --> 00:28:28.677
was helped, if not caused by monetary.

00:28:28.677 --> 00:28:32.007
policy error, in which central bankers raise.

00:28:32.007 --> 00:28:33.337
interest rates way too quickly.

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And derail the economy.

00:28:37.727 --> 00:28:40.897
And again, there are human they can make mistakes, and if you raise.

00:28:40.897 --> 00:28:43.937
interest rates and inflation is still there, what do you raise?

00:28:43.937 --> 00:28:47.497
again and again and again, something that people have to understand.

00:28:47.497 --> 00:28:50.857
in this environment. It is not about inflation.

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Inflation will go back to 2% eventually. It's about the.

00:28:53.917 --> 00:28:57.237
cost that it will take to bring inflation back to 2%.

00:28:57.237 --> 00:29:00.617
namely how much you have to raise interest rates. And if you don't see.

00:29:00.617 --> 00:29:03.677
inflation easing in the second of the year, the.

00:29:03.677 --> 00:29:07.187
risk of a monetary policy error will rise.

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And that's something that can plant the seeds for recession.

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in 2023. Again, that's not my focus.

00:29:14.537 --> 00:29:17.877
My forecast is that the Bank of Canada will go.

00:29:17.877 --> 00:29:21.397
slowly when I see the Bank of Canada see them very often.

00:29:21.397 --> 00:29:21.397


00:29:22.187 --> 00:29:24.197
Unfortunately, I can tell you.

00:29:24.917 --> 00:29:27.957
That this is the conversation that we are having, the Bank of Canada knows.

00:29:27.957 --> 00:29:31.237
that and they basically said we do not want to repeat past mistakes.

00:29:31.237 --> 00:29:31.237


00:29:32.017 --> 00:29:35.537
But again, inflation can change their mind and the risk.

00:29:35.537 --> 00:29:35.537


00:29:36.097 --> 00:29:36.557
Of.

00:29:37.367 --> 00:29:40.397
And recession in 2023 is there and?

00:29:40.397 --> 00:29:43.517
I'm waiting to see what will happen to inflation in the second half of.

00:29:43.517 --> 00:29:46.597
the year and if it doesn't slow down, I will.

00:29:46.597 --> 00:29:49.797
increase the probability of recession in my calculations, that's.

00:29:49.797 --> 00:29:53.077
more or less where we are, but it doesn't mean that.

00:29:53.077 --> 00:29:56.257
if interest rates and inflation go up, corporations cannot.

00:29:56.257 --> 00:29:59.427
do anything to fight it. Look at this.

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is very interesting.

00:30:01.597 --> 00:30:04.007
This is perfect. This is profit margins.

00:30:04.707 --> 00:30:07.787
And you can see that there was a significant change.

00:30:07.787 --> 00:30:10.857
upward changes, structural change after the year.

00:30:10.857 --> 00:30:14.427
2000. Why? Because of many forces.

00:30:14.427 --> 00:30:17.707
that helped profitability chief among them.

00:30:17.707 --> 00:30:20.867
of course was globalization, which is always good.

00:30:20.867 --> 00:30:24.907
for business. It's the cost structure is lawyer just in.

00:30:24.907 --> 00:30:28.187
time. Inventories of course was very.

00:30:28.187 --> 00:30:31.847
helpful. We also saw a situation in which pricing.

00:30:31.847 --> 00:30:34.927
power in the economy namely fuel.

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00:30:36.157 --> 00:30:39.337
Players controlling more and more of the economy as reason.

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especially in technology and labor, was available.

00:30:42.457 --> 00:30:45.597
and cheap. You can see that the share of labor in production.

00:30:45.597 --> 00:30:48.687
went down and the share of people that in.

00:30:48.687 --> 00:30:51.977
low paying jobs went up so clearly that also.

00:30:51.977 --> 00:30:55.277
helped ability. I suggest that all those forces.

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are being reversed.

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Globalization is being.

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Replaced by an element of Deglobalization.

00:31:04.147 --> 00:31:07.687
That's not good for profit, just in time inventory is.

00:31:07.687 --> 00:31:11.037
being replaced by just in case inventories. People realize that they need more inventories.

00:31:11.037 --> 00:31:14.067
label for the first time in generations.

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Labor has the bargaining power.

00:31:17.107 --> 00:31:19.507
You don't have people you cannot find. People wages are rising.

00:31:20.527 --> 00:31:22.567
And companies are starting to react to it.

00:31:23.317 --> 00:31:25.247
And the react in a very interesting way.

00:31:26.337 --> 00:31:27.557
You have a situation.

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That is like I believe in the 1990s. Look at what happened.

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in the 1990s.

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We're just went up like now.

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Inflation didn't. Why? Because of the Charter, the right productivity.

00:31:39.597 --> 00:31:41.537
went up significantly.

00:31:43.837 --> 00:31:46.857
This was the Internet revolution that led to a huge increase in.

00:31:46.857 --> 00:31:50.267
productivity, and if I give you a 10% pay increase and.

00:31:50.267 --> 00:31:52.987
you are 10% more productive, that's not inflationary.

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And that's something that we have seen in the 1990s and I believe.

00:31:57.107 --> 00:32:00.497
that we have the opportunity and the chance to do it again. Why?

00:32:00.497 --> 00:32:03.557
Because people are starting to realize companies are starting to.

00:32:03.557 --> 00:32:06.637
realize that label is simply unavailable.

00:32:06.637 --> 00:32:10.127
and way too expensive. You can see that labor as a share of.

00:32:10.127 --> 00:32:13.437
production is rising. So what companies are doing?

00:32:13.437 --> 00:32:16.637
they're starting to invest more in capital there simply replacing.

00:32:16.637 --> 00:32:19.657
labor with capital, as you can see from the chart to the right.

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And they have the means to do so, yes.

00:32:22.717 --> 00:32:24.777
individuals are sitting on a mountain of cash.

00:32:26.627 --> 00:32:29.687
But also companies 130 billion.

00:32:29.687 --> 00:32:33.077
n of excess cash, so they use it to buy back stocks.

00:32:33.077 --> 00:32:36.577
the user to raise dividends and they use it.

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To invest and this investment.

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Will enhance productivity and might be the number one.

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Protection.

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Form inflation.

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So what does?

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All the above mean for.

00:32:53.787 --> 00:32:56.727
investment. First of all, I think that we have to realize.

00:32:57.347 --> 00:32:58.847
That interest rates will be rising.

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And that's something that makes the situation much.

00:33:02.737 --> 00:33:06.577
more interesting in terms of the impact on economic growth in.

00:33:06.577 --> 00:33:09.597
this environment, I suggest that.

00:33:09.597 --> 00:33:11.267
when you look at the PE ratio.

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The price to earnings ratio 80% of the advance in.

00:33:16.337 --> 00:33:18.417
valuations over the past.

00:33:19.077 --> 00:33:22.177
10 years, including the last two years, was in.

00:33:22.177 --> 00:33:25.537
the P, not in. It was the price, not the earning.

00:33:25.537 --> 00:33:28.607
And it's very difficult to see in this environment hourly earnings.

00:33:28.607 --> 00:33:31.797
will catch up. Therefore, I suggest that.

00:33:31.797 --> 00:33:35.137
we have to be very defensive when it comes to the stock market.

00:33:35.137 --> 00:33:38.157
I believe that the stock market will be positive this year, but we.

00:33:38.157 --> 00:33:41.577
have to be defensive. So what do I like? First of all, I like companies.

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that pay you back.

00:33:44.137 --> 00:33:47.297
Companies with cash, I suggested that energy is 1.

00:33:47.297 --> 00:33:50.317
e of them. Why? Because although oil prices.

00:33:50.317 --> 00:33:53.657
are rising, they are not using the extra money that they have.

00:33:53.657 --> 00:33:56.177
to invest because of obvious.

00:33:56.887 --> 00:34:00.107
Considerations. Therefore, they take this extra money and they pay.

00:34:00.107 --> 00:34:03.267
you in terms of dividends in terms of buyback.

00:34:03.267 --> 00:34:06.547
and basically some sort of investment in maintenance.

00:34:06.547 --> 00:34:09.647
Therefore, I suggest that I would like to be in this.

00:34:09.647 --> 00:34:13.987
environment and simply collect. That's one thing banks always.

00:34:13.987 --> 00:34:16.047
benefit from higher.

00:34:16.797 --> 00:34:20.187
Interest rates, especially Canadian banks, relative to American.

00:34:20.187 --> 00:34:21.427
anks, American banks see.

00:34:22.097 --> 00:34:25.257
Why did the yield curve Canadian banks benefit?

00:34:25.257 --> 00:34:28.367
from the absolute increase in interest rates and interest rates?

00:34:28.367 --> 00:34:31.477
will be rising, especially low, low short term interest rates?

00:34:31.477 --> 00:34:34.857
by about 200 basis points over the next two years?

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So I would like to be part of it. In addition, Canadian banks.

00:34:38.047 --> 00:34:41.557
are sitting on a mountain of cash. This cache will go to again.

00:34:41.557 --> 00:34:45.037
bye bye bug stocks and.

00:34:45.037 --> 00:34:48.537
clearly increased dividends, something that I would like to be in.

00:34:48.537 --> 00:34:52.027
commodities in general, I like commodities at copper.

00:34:52.027 --> 00:34:53.017
because copper is the.

00:34:53.077 --> 00:34:56.147
Future given the electric car, I.

00:34:56.147 --> 00:34:59.207
like nickel.

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I think that it's China. Sorry, Russia is a major.

00:35:02.767 --> 00:35:05.787
supplier of nickel. It will not be in the market for a while. I would like to.

00:35:05.787 --> 00:35:08.847
be in this space as well. Agriculture will be part of it. I.

00:35:08.847 --> 00:35:11.867
would like to be there as well. In addition, I like.

00:35:11.867 --> 00:35:15.247
Big Rosales. Why? Because they can transfer.

00:35:15.247 --> 00:35:18.327
the cost to the consumer and many of them in.

00:35:18.327 --> 00:35:21.427
Canada are not linked to the supply chain issues and.

00:35:21.427 --> 00:35:24.707
they have the pricing power. So I would like to be there. So as you can see.

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A lot of moving targets here, but if you ask the right questions.

00:35:28.487 --> 00:35:31.647
you can make sense out of this madness. I will stop here.

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Thank you very much for your attention.

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Thank you very much. I have about 30 minutes to tell.

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you everything I know about the situation that's maybe.

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29 minutes too much because of course nobody.

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knows we're all pretending. But clearly this level of.

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uncertainty is something that we have to deal with and try.

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to make sense out of. So we'll discuss a lot of things.

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They let me start with the list of what I would like to discuss.

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First of all, we must discuss, say, Putin, of course, and just the.

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other day, somebody asked me, what do you think Putin will do next?

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And I said, what next time I have lunch with him.

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Last game, nobody knows, including Putin himself. I.

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don't think he has an exit strategy will discuss clearly.

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the virus. It's not finished. It's not.

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done. We have to discuss the virus and.

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the coexistence Bibles and the economy. See what?

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makes sense. Clearly the elephant in the room. Inflation.

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How much sleep should we lose over inflation?

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And of course, with inflation, rising interest rates are rising the.

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key is how quickly, how quickly will interest rates.

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rise, not just how.

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Hi but how quickly the housing market, the darling?

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of the Covid recession? Is it a bubble will?

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discuss clearly the immigration factor is a very important factor.

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that is changing on a daily basis. We have to understand.

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that and of course investment implications of this.

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crazy situation will discuss let's.

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start with what's happening in.

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Europe. We have to establish one thing Russia.

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is not a superpower economically.

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speaking Russia in South Korea.

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Russia is Brazil.

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The only thing that makes Russia relevant, economically speaking.

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is energy.

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And energy is a major factor in fact.

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Tomorrow, Putin can turn the lights off on Germany.

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This is very important to understand 2011.

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March of 2011, there was the nuclear accident.

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in Japan.

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After that accident, Angela Merkel bugged in the head.

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of Germany, said. I don't want any nuclear in.

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Germany to avoid this kind of situation and.

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therefore they eliminated their nuclear capacity that.

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led to a situation in which there are no natural gas coming from.

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Russia. You wake up and about 40% of your natural.

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gas consumption is coming from Russia. You are totally dependent.

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on Russia and that's the number one reason why Germany.

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and Europe cannot go.

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With Biden banning input of energy.

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from Russia, that's very, very important, reflecting what's.

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happening. And clearly Putin knows that, and he knew.

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that before we enter Ukraine.

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No, let's go and continue with that.

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Ukraine is actually.

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Potentially an energy superpower, if.

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you look at the natural reserve natural gas reserves in Europe.

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it's the second highest in Ukraine.

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This is undeveloped reserves that can be developed.

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Second only to Norway, what it means it.

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means that an independent Ukraine a member.

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of NATO, can develop that natural gas.

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and replace Russia over time as the men.

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supplier of natural gas to Europe. That's a nightmare.

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scenario as far as far as Putin.

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is concerned. So clearly there are many reasons why is there.

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That's one of them. Energy is definitely one of them. So.

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the question is, what's next? Nobody knows there are many scenarios.

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I will not get into it.

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The best case scenario is that in.

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Ukraine will not recognize Crimea.

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Russia will take parts of.

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the South and they would call it a day.

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They put in will declare victory or.

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Doyle lost and it can get one or two lessons from.

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Mr Trump. How to do it?

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The other option is a partition of Ukraine with.

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a government puppet government in.

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the Kiev and the other government in Lviv. That's another.

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option. The third is taking over Ukraine as they all.

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and basically get into and Afghanistan type scenario nobody.

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knows. But what we do know is that the sanctions.

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that the West is imposing.

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Only Putin will determine the.

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ultimate outcome, so let's discuss those sanctions.

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and clearly we all know about the swift.

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The situation and the ban.

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on the swift transactions, people who don't know what it is, it's.

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basically the Whatsapp of international transaction basically.

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when a bank try to do something, they need this system and most.

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Russian banks now don't have access to it and.

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that's something that is preventing them from doing business. However, it's not complete, it's.

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not 100%. Why? Because we still need to send energy.

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from Russia to the West and therefore.

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you need some banks, especially those that specialize in energy.

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To have access to SWIFT, and that's exactly what's happening. So it's not.

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complete. Another thing is happening and that's the freezing.

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the FX reserves of Russia, that's.

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huge because Putin put together no less than six.

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billion of FX.

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reserves and now it's frozen in its.

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euro in gold, US dollars, Chinese Ron and.

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all other currencies. Now this is important because they cannot.

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touch, it can sell is goal 20% of the reserves.

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s in gold.

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And, but you need a buyer and this buyer might be.

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China and that's why I'm watching very, very closely.

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what China will be doing because let's face it, we.

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are in a Cold War.

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There is no way back.

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Russia is out.

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And if you are in a cold war and you are a third party.

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you have to choose.

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Whose side?

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In what China will do is crucial, because still.

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China and needs the West, but at the same time it is getting.

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closer and closer to Russia. So this.

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is something that we have to watch very carefully because it will.

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determine the nature of global economy and.

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globalization in the future of very important derivative.

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of this crisis is what China will do and its relationship.

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with the West after the crisis.

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Is over so.

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What are the implications?

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The first question is short term, is it a?

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recessionary situation?

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Or an inflationary situation and I suggest.

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that the Russian crisis is not.

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a recessionary situation for North America.

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You see, when it comes to Russia, Ukraine.

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clearly it is a recessionary situation. Now you go.

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once removed Europe.

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Western Europe, Germany, France, Italy.

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The impact here is about 0.50 point 6.

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of the GDP. Not a big deal.

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quite frankly. And we are twice removed in fact.

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Economically speaking, you might suggest that Canada is benefiting.

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from the crisis, economically speaking, because.

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of.

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GE Potash, which we.

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are major exporters of those goods that we need, so this.

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is a factor that we have to take into account another.

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factor of course is energy and energy.

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prices and what it means for the economy before we get that, let's.

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talk about the long term implications of this crisis which.

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I think are even more important. So we established that this is.

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not a recessionary scenario, it's an inflationary scenario.

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but from a long term perspective, this is clearly going to modify.

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The process of deglobalization Deglobalization started with.

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Trump was accelerated during COVID.

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And now it's actually gaining momentum, so.

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that's significant because that's of course inflationary and.

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has significant implications on trade. I'm not talking about full.

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scale deglobalization and that's why I'm watching China.

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very closely. But I suggest that it's not a stretch.

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to suggest.

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Dot 2025% of what the Americans are buying.

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from China now will come back home for many reasons.

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and that's something that have major implications another.

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factor is green the green revolution.

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will go even faster with the West realizing.

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that they need to rely more heavily because it's not just.

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Russia, it's also Saudi Arabia. It's Qatar, it's other countries.

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that the West would like to minimize the activity.

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in. So that's something that they will happen. So the green.

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Revolution will continue.

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And this crisis will accelerate that, I think.

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that Russia will be a much less significant player when.

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this madness is over and even the.

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crypto currencies I think will be closer to.

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full regulations after this crisis is over because.

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it will expose a situation in which players.

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can outmaneuver bunks when.

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they when they try to restrict the economy. And that's something.

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that the authorities would like to minimize therefore.

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I suggest that we are going to see more.

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Restrictions and regulations in the crypto space so.

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that's the long term implications of.

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the crisis that we are facing now and that's the way I see it now clearly.

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energy prices is a very important factor and we have seen basically.

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an energy shock. I will not get too much into it, but if you.

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go, if you look at this chart, you can see something very interesting.

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You go back to the 70s. Almost every oil shock.

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as you can see.

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Lead.

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Two every session.

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And people say high oil prices.

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Lead to recessions and I say no, it's not high oil prices that little.

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recessions. It's their response to higher oil.

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prices, the monetary response visa vie higher.

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interest rates that led to those sessions in.

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the 90s in the 80s and clearly in the 70s.

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So it's a mistake to suggest based on this chart.

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that oil prices themselves are recessionary. No, it's.

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the response to oil prices. And the question is.

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how sensitive the economy is now.

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to hire.

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Energy prices, and therefore our sensitive interest rates are to.

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higher oil prices and I say much less sensitive.

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than in the past. This is the energy intensity.

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of the economy as a whole and you can see that it's basically 12%.

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loyal than it was ten years ago. So this means that.

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the economy is able to take higher energy prices.

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without the same damage that we have seen a decade or two.

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decades ago. That's extremely important another very.

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important factor that will have major implications.

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on energy.

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Energy producers and investment in energy, in my opinion, is.

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discharged. Look what's happening usually when oil.

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prices go up, Alberta is busy Ceos.

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of energy companies are investing because they want.

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to increase capacity. This time we are not seeing.

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a capacity production response to.

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the crisis. Oil prices went up. We don't see.

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Canadian companies, American companies investing.

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in extra capacity. Why? Because of the green revolution.

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We know that over time Green will be replacing black.

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and if you are a CEO of an energy company.

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you are thinking twice before committing billions.

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of dollars into increasing capacity. That will not be using.

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in the future. Therefore we are not seeing.

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the production response that we've saw in.

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any other oil shock and.

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therefore the impact on the Canadian economy is not as.

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positive as in the past because usually you get the benefit.

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of extra investment.

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In the oil sector this time around, as you can see from the.

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circled area, it's not opening and it just makes.

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sense to me. So that's the way I see the situation and.

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the energy impact we have to put it in perspective. And we have seen.

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that energy prices recently are starting to slow down.

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People are talking about some sort of resolution to the crisis.

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hina is slowing down because of kovid. That's something that.

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is slowing down expectations regarding demand for.

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energy in the near future. So prices are starting to is.

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but they are still elevated their impact.

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Economy.

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It's not as significant as it used to be, so that's done now.

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let's continue and discuss other things that.

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are important now.

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2022 is the year of the Tiger the tiger.

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the most unpredictable creature audio. And that's.

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very appropriate because 2022 is a very unpredictable.

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year because of so many forces. One of them is this.

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What is that?

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Go back to your Grade 7 geometry.

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That's the number π.

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No. Why am I showing you the number?

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π during an economic presentation? Because the.

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letter PI happened to be the.

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letter after the Omicron letter.

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in the Greek alphabet.

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So you see where I'm going with that?

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If you think that you cannot get a straight forward answer from an economist.

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try a biologist. Nobody knows but everybody.

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is telling me there will be another variant. Maybe it's already.

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out there.

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So as a society, we will have to learn to live.

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with that. So we have a situation in which we have the tiger.

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And we have pie and I couldn't resist.

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I don't know if you remember this movie from 2012 life.

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of pi. It's a wonderful, wonderful movie, I.

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highly recommend it's on Netflix. If you haven't seen it, see it.

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tonight. But the point that I'm making here, of course this.

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is not doesn't have any significant, but what I'm.

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saying here is that.

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It's reasonable to assume that this year would be volatile.

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I suggest that with the spring and the summer.

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coming, the economy will be relatively strong with consumers.

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spending a lot of money pent up demand that has been.

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there, but at the same time, we will be dancing to.

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the tune of the virus and if there is another variant.

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and this has an impact on the economy, we will see.

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a kind of zig zag W shaped recovery.

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going up and down, up and down. That's something that we have to.

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learn to live with the hope and prayer is that we have.

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To deal with the next wave of whatever it is in a.

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way that will not damage economic activity in a very significant way.

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but we have to take this into account. It's not over by.

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any stretch of the imagination linked to that is.

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the fear factor, the availability factor.

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is there. We are opening up everything is there. But as you can see.

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in the case of the UK and Germany in the past few.

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months, the UK was basically open Germany.

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was not. But you look at restaurants in the chat.

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to the right basically the same namely.

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The restaurant was opened.

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But nobody showed up.

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Or less people showed up. The fear factor was dominating I.

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suggest in the spring and the summer, the fear factor will.

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diminish in North America. But again, if people are tweeting.

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about the possibility of another variant, the fear.

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factor will be there. So you can open up the economy. You.

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will not get the same amount of activity if nothing happened and.

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that's something that we have to take into account. So given all this.

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now we have to discuss.

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The elephant in the room, and that's inflation. How?

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Significant is the inflationary force here and.

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outdoor abilities, in my opinion.

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the way to deal with that is.

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to ask.

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A question about the origin of all.

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those inflationary forces, and there are many of them so.

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let's start with the big one and that's supply chain and.

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I'm asking myself how much of this supply chain issue is.

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covered because what we are seeing is something.

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amazing. Look at the chart to the left.

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This is consumption of goods, not service is good.

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In 2021.

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We have seen four years of normal consumption being.

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squeezed into that here.

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In terms of growth?

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Just to put things in perspective, this amount of consumption.

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of goods is equivalent equivalent to a situation in which.

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overnight overnight.

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You parachuted 70.

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million new Americans into.

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the US, and the minute the lender they started to spend, that's.

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what we're talking about. This is a demand shock.

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And people say yes, but never underestimate the American.

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consumer. And I say yes, but give me a break. How?

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much stuff do you need?

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We have been shopping for two years because it's easy. You press the button.

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and you get your exercise bike.

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And I suggest that all these consumption energy.

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Will be going to services.

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Because this demand shock.

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Would be enough to challenge even a normally functioning.

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supply system, and this supply system.

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is not normally functioning. It's very sick. So you have a.

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very sick supply system dealing with the mother of all demand.

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shocks. But this demand, if we open up in.

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a normal way.

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Will be going to services and.

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the point that I'm making here is that services are less inflationary.

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Why? Because their supply is more elastic.

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If you start overcharging in your restaurant I will open a.

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new one to compete with you.

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It's much easier to start a new restaurant than to establish a new manufacturing.

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facility, so therefore the point that I'm making here.

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is that.

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Tick covid out of it and you have nothing left.

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60 to 65% of inflation is.

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Supply chain.

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And all of it.

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Is due to Kovid. If you remove Covid out of.

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it and if we go with our Sumption.

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Got 2022 is a transition year between.

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the pandemic and endemic. Then I think it's reasonable.

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to assume.

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That this supply chain story will.

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start disappearing in the second half of the year.

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And will not be there in any significant way a year from now.

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That's the hope. That's the prayer. And therefore all these consumption.

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energy will go to services that's.

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one thing. So that's not very durable in terms.

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of inflationary forces, what's more durable.

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Is employment.

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The labor market.

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We all heard about the great resignation trend.

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in the US people are quitting like there is no tomorrow in.

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Canada. By the way. That's not the case and.

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in a recent survey, a record number of Canadians say.

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that we are thinking about quitting. So in the USR.

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quitting in Canada, we are thinking about quitting, that's.

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very Canadian. Nevertheless, it means that the market is tight then.

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you look at a chart of the left and you can see that many older.

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Americans are exiting the market and.

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I say if you are sixty 6568.

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And you decided you weren't copied to exit the labor market. You're not coming back?

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And that's why the participation rate in the labor market.

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in the USA is below what it was before.

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That's something that we haven't seen in Canada. Therefore the participation rate.

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is actually higher than it was before, but there is another.

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force that is extremely important and that's immigration.

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In October 2020.

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The Canadian government announced that they would like to see no.

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less than 400,000 new immigrants.

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Arriving to Canada in 2021 and people.

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said, are you crazy? How can you get 400,000?

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During Covid, nobody is flying. We got 400 and 1000. How?

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70% of them were already in Canada.

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There were students, there were non permanent residence.

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for damn it was a change in status, not a change of address.

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And just to put things in perspective, look at the chart to the right, that's.

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relative to the US we got 400,000.

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they got 500,000, but the last time I checked.

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the US is still 10 times larger than Canada, which means.

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that per capita, we have seen an inflow.

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of new immigrants six times faster than what we're seeing in the US this is.

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a new supply to the labor market that you haven't seen in.

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the USA major force impacting wages in.

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Canada relative to the US and just out of curiosity.

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I was looking at the skill set of those new immigrants relative.

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to what we need in the economy based on.

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Because the words and you can see that when it goes across the.

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45 degree line, it's it means that there.

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is nice alignment and you can see there is a nice alignment here however.

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there are few exceptions. One of them is trades and construction.

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One of the most important factors limiting.

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supply in the housing market in Canada is the.

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lack of label, specially thread and clearly construction.

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workers. How many new immigrants we got?

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In construction, basically zero. Same goes for.

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health occupations.

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We need nurses like oxygen. How?

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many did we get? 0. So clearly we need some.

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fine tuning. But overall there is nice alignment.

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between what we need and what they bring. So we have a.

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situation in which all their people exiting the.

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market in the US not in Canada and clearly we have.

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More immigrants.

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Hey, why being relative to the US and?

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therefore the supply of labor in the?

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Canadian market is larger than what you see in the US?

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and therefore most surprise wages?

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in the US are rising faster than wages in?

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Canada with major implications for the Bank of Canada?

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and the rate at which interest rates will be rising we discuss?

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it in a second.

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Now we have a situation which inflation?

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is rising, wages are rising in both countries, more in the U.

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So the question is, what's next in terms of raising interest rates?

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We know that the Bank of Canada already started the.

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Fed will be raising interest rates and we are talking about a situation.

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in which our quickly our fast first.

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we have to examine and look at the effectiveness of.

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monetary policy. Look at this is extremely important to understand.

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Look at the chart of the left. First you have the Gray line.

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And you have the red line.

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The Gray line is the official rate. the Fed funds rate.

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The red light.

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Is effective interest rates basically how much you pay?

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This is actually how much you pay. Look what happened in.

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the 19 in the 2004 five.

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six before the crisis.

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Greenspan Bugden raised into sweats from 1:25.

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basis points to.

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5%.

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Basically, over the course of breakfast.

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What happened to the red line? Basically nothing.

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That's the creative imagination of American bankers.

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That neutralize the Fed remembered all those ninja mortgages.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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So interest rates went up, but actually interest rates for normal.

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people did not go up. Same goals in 2000.

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Eighteen. You see the red line basically flood. Why?

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Because their mortgages are for 30 years, so it takes a long time.

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to impact actual payments.

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In Canada, I will, mortgages are for five.

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years.

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Therefore.

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When the Bank of Canada starts to raise interest rates.

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I will interest rates, effective interface option actually rise as.

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well. So the effectiveness of monetary policy in Canada is.

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higher than the effectiveness in the US and.

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then you have another force during the two.

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crisis, the Americans.

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went through the model of Aldi leveraging their.

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debt to income ratio went.

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down from 160 to 140 hours in.

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nada went up from 140 to 160 we?

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We assume more debt.

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Because this was not our crisis in 2008, we.

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were basically secondhand smokers.

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So when you have more debt, you're more sensitive to the risk of higher.

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interest rates. Our sensitive more than twice what?

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I mean by that according to this chart.

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Basically, if you raise interest rates in Canada by.

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100 basis point, it's equivalent to the Fed.

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raising interest rates by 200 basis points. In terms of the impact.

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on the consumer, which means that the Bank of Canada.

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is more powerful than the Fed in terms of.

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their ability to slow down the consumer and the housing market.

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So you have inflation in the US rising faster, wages are rising.

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faster and the Bank of Canada is more effective in raising.

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interest rates. You will expect that this wee little situation.

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in which the market will.

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Price in a situation in which the.

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Fed will be moving.

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More aggressively then the Bank of Canada.

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And the opposite was the case until very recently this is.

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a very important chart. If you care about interest rates and the dollar look.

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at the huge increase.

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In November of 2021, towards.

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the end of the year, we have seen the two year rate Canada.

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rising faster than the two year rate. US does this spread?

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between the two of them, which means that the market at this point was expect?

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ng expecting the Bank of Canada not the Fed.

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To be much more aggressive, in fact, at one point the.

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market priced in a situation in which the Bank of Canada would be.

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moving a full year ahead of the Fed, which didn't make any sense.

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whatsoever.

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So we have seen this line rising suggesting.

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that the market was much more aggressive on the Bank of Canada and then just?

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recently over the past few months, the market reversed that.

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red and you can see the number or the trend going down.

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to basically where it belongs.

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So this.

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Situation.

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Is responsible for this.

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Divorce, if you wish.

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Between oil prices and the dollar, usually.

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our dollar.

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Dances to the tune.

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Of oil prices and oil prices went to the sky as we know we.

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obviously the dollar moving. Why? Because over the past few months.

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the market reversed.

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It's a.

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Pricing in situation and basically expected.

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the Fed to move as aggressively as.

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the Bank of Canada as opposed to the Bank of Canada being more aggressive.

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and that basically neutralize all the potential positive.

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impact of higher oil prices on the dollar. That's the.

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reason if you ask why the dollar is not moving up, it's.

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basically the change in expectations regarding interest.

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rates in Canada. So that's something that is very important.

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There is another factor here and that's.

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Our corporations will react because until.

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now we were discussing the inflationary force and.

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the economic implications. Now central bankers.

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they are human.

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And they can make mistakes.

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The Bank of Canada and the Fed are now priced in to raise.

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interest rates.

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Maybe four or five times.

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In 2022 in some places.

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the expectations are for a more aggressive bank of Canada 6 seven times.

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And that's reasonable. I think that's fraud five times. That's fine, however.

00:27:48.817 --> 00:27:48.817


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If for some reason, and that's extremely important from your perspective, if you care.

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about the market and interest rates.

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We know that inflation will be elevated over the next few months. That's not interesting.

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That's irrelevant. Almost. It will be elevated over.

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the next two or three months. The media would be all over it, but it's.

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almost irrelevant from your perspective, however.

00:28:08.697 --> 00:28:09.537
If by.

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August, September, October. We don't see a significant.

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softness in inflation.

00:28:17.417 --> 00:28:18.457
The Bank of Canada.

00:28:19.287 --> 00:28:22.297
Is risking a situation in which there will be raising it as.

00:28:22.297 --> 00:28:25.597
well as two rapidly. You see every economic recession.

00:28:25.597 --> 00:28:28.677
was helped, if not caused by monetary.

00:28:28.677 --> 00:28:32.007
policy error, in which central bankers raise.

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interest rates way too quickly.

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And derail the economy.

00:28:37.727 --> 00:28:40.897
And again, there are human they can make mistakes, and if you raise.

00:28:40.897 --> 00:28:43.937
interest rates and inflation is still there, what do you raise?

00:28:43.937 --> 00:28:47.497
again and again and again, something that people have to understand.

00:28:47.497 --> 00:28:50.857
in this environment. It is not about inflation.

00:28:50.857 --> 00:28:53.917
Inflation will go back to 2% eventually. It's about the.

00:28:53.917 --> 00:28:57.237
cost that it will take to bring inflation back to 2%.

00:28:57.237 --> 00:29:00.617
namely how much you have to raise interest rates. And if you don't see.

00:29:00.617 --> 00:29:03.677
inflation easing in the second of the year, the.

00:29:03.677 --> 00:29:07.187
risk of a monetary policy error will rise.

00:29:07.187 --> 00:29:07.187


00:29:07.877 --> 00:29:11.297
And that's something that can plant the seeds for recession.

00:29:11.297 --> 00:29:14.537
in 2023. Again, that's not my focus.

00:29:14.537 --> 00:29:17.877
My forecast is that the Bank of Canada will go.

00:29:17.877 --> 00:29:21.397
slowly when I see the Bank of Canada see them very often.

00:29:21.397 --> 00:29:21.397


00:29:22.187 --> 00:29:24.197
Unfortunately, I can tell you.

00:29:24.917 --> 00:29:27.957
That this is the conversation that we are having, the Bank of Canada knows.

00:29:27.957 --> 00:29:31.237
that and they basically said we do not want to repeat past mistakes.

00:29:31.237 --> 00:29:31.237


00:29:32.017 --> 00:29:35.537
But again, inflation can change their mind and the risk.

00:29:35.537 --> 00:29:35.537


00:29:36.097 --> 00:29:36.557
Of.

00:29:37.367 --> 00:29:40.397
And recession in 2023 is there and?

00:29:40.397 --> 00:29:43.517
I'm waiting to see what will happen to inflation in the second half of.

00:29:43.517 --> 00:29:46.597
the year and if it doesn't slow down, I will.

00:29:46.597 --> 00:29:49.797
increase the probability of recession in my calculations, that's.

00:29:49.797 --> 00:29:53.077
more or less where we are, but it doesn't mean that.

00:29:53.077 --> 00:29:56.257
if interest rates and inflation go up, corporations cannot.

00:29:56.257 --> 00:29:59.427
do anything to fight it. Look at this.

00:29:59.427 --> 00:30:00.567
is very interesting.

00:30:01.597 --> 00:30:04.007
This is perfect. This is profit margins.

00:30:04.707 --> 00:30:07.787
And you can see that there was a significant change.

00:30:07.787 --> 00:30:10.857
upward changes, structural change after the year.

00:30:10.857 --> 00:30:14.427
2000. Why? Because of many forces.

00:30:14.427 --> 00:30:17.707
that helped profitability chief among them.

00:30:17.707 --> 00:30:20.867
of course was globalization, which is always good.

00:30:20.867 --> 00:30:24.907
for business. It's the cost structure is lawyer just in.

00:30:24.907 --> 00:30:28.187
time. Inventories of course was very.

00:30:28.187 --> 00:30:31.847
helpful. We also saw a situation in which pricing.

00:30:31.847 --> 00:30:34.927
power in the economy namely fuel.

00:30:34.927 --> 00:30:34.927


00:30:36.157 --> 00:30:39.337
Players controlling more and more of the economy as reason.

00:30:39.337 --> 00:30:42.457
especially in technology and labor, was available.

00:30:42.457 --> 00:30:45.597
and cheap. You can see that the share of labor in production.

00:30:45.597 --> 00:30:48.687
went down and the share of people that in.

00:30:48.687 --> 00:30:51.977
low paying jobs went up so clearly that also.

00:30:51.977 --> 00:30:55.277
helped ability. I suggest that all those forces.

00:30:55.277 --> 00:30:56.017
are being reversed.

00:30:57.247 --> 00:30:58.927
Globalization is being.

00:30:59.587 --> 00:31:02.667
Replaced by an element of Deglobalization.

00:31:04.147 --> 00:31:07.687
That's not good for profit, just in time inventory is.

00:31:07.687 --> 00:31:11.037
being replaced by just in case inventories. People realize that they need more inventories.

00:31:11.037 --> 00:31:14.067
label for the first time in generations.

00:31:14.067 --> 00:31:16.327
Labor has the bargaining power.

00:31:17.107 --> 00:31:19.507
You don't have people you cannot find. People wages are rising.

00:31:20.527 --> 00:31:22.567
And companies are starting to react to it.

00:31:23.317 --> 00:31:25.247
And the react in a very interesting way.

00:31:26.337 --> 00:31:27.557
You have a situation.

00:31:28.367 --> 00:31:31.537
That is like I believe in the 1990s. Look at what happened.

00:31:31.537 --> 00:31:32.557
in the 1990s.

00:31:33.647 --> 00:31:34.977
We're just went up like now.

00:31:35.977 --> 00:31:39.597
Inflation didn't. Why? Because of the Charter, the right productivity.

00:31:39.597 --> 00:31:41.537
went up significantly.

00:31:43.837 --> 00:31:46.857
This was the Internet revolution that led to a huge increase in.

00:31:46.857 --> 00:31:50.267
productivity, and if I give you a 10% pay increase and.

00:31:50.267 --> 00:31:52.987
you are 10% more productive, that's not inflationary.

00:31:53.857 --> 00:31:57.107
And that's something that we have seen in the 1990s and I believe.

00:31:57.107 --> 00:32:00.497
that we have the opportunity and the chance to do it again. Why?

00:32:00.497 --> 00:32:03.557
Because people are starting to realize companies are starting to.

00:32:03.557 --> 00:32:06.637
realize that label is simply unavailable.

00:32:06.637 --> 00:32:10.127
and way too expensive. You can see that labor as a share of.

00:32:10.127 --> 00:32:13.437
production is rising. So what companies are doing?

00:32:13.437 --> 00:32:16.637
they're starting to invest more in capital there simply replacing.

00:32:16.637 --> 00:32:19.657
labor with capital, as you can see from the chart to the right.

00:32:19.657 --> 00:32:22.717
And they have the means to do so, yes.

00:32:22.717 --> 00:32:24.777
individuals are sitting on a mountain of cash.

00:32:26.627 --> 00:32:29.687
But also companies 130 billion.

00:32:29.687 --> 00:32:33.077
n of excess cash, so they use it to buy back stocks.

00:32:33.077 --> 00:32:36.577
the user to raise dividends and they use it.

00:32:36.577 --> 00:32:36.577


00:32:37.267 --> 00:32:39.787
To invest and this investment.

00:32:40.537 --> 00:32:43.697
Will enhance productivity and might be the number one.

00:32:43.697 --> 00:32:43.697


00:32:44.567 --> 00:32:45.367
Protection.

00:32:46.177 --> 00:32:47.217
Form inflation.

00:32:48.147 --> 00:32:49.717
So what does?

00:32:50.557 --> 00:32:53.787
All the above mean for.

00:32:53.787 --> 00:32:56.727
investment. First of all, I think that we have to realize.

00:32:57.347 --> 00:32:58.847
That interest rates will be rising.

00:32:59.617 --> 00:33:02.737
And that's something that makes the situation much.

00:33:02.737 --> 00:33:06.577
more interesting in terms of the impact on economic growth in.

00:33:06.577 --> 00:33:09.597
this environment, I suggest that.

00:33:09.597 --> 00:33:11.267
when you look at the PE ratio.

00:33:12.747 --> 00:33:16.337
The price to earnings ratio 80% of the advance in.

00:33:16.337 --> 00:33:18.417
valuations over the past.

00:33:19.077 --> 00:33:22.177
10 years, including the last two years, was in.

00:33:22.177 --> 00:33:25.537
the P, not in. It was the price, not the earning.

00:33:25.537 --> 00:33:28.607
And it's very difficult to see in this environment hourly earnings.

00:33:28.607 --> 00:33:31.797
will catch up. Therefore, I suggest that.

00:33:31.797 --> 00:33:35.137
we have to be very defensive when it comes to the stock market.

00:33:35.137 --> 00:33:38.157
I believe that the stock market will be positive this year, but we.

00:33:38.157 --> 00:33:41.577
have to be defensive. So what do I like? First of all, I like companies.

00:33:41.577 --> 00:33:43.537
that pay you back.

00:33:44.137 --> 00:33:47.297
Companies with cash, I suggested that energy is 1.

00:33:47.297 --> 00:33:50.317
e of them. Why? Because although oil prices.

00:33:50.317 --> 00:33:53.657
are rising, they are not using the extra money that they have.

00:33:53.657 --> 00:33:56.177
to invest because of obvious.

00:33:56.887 --> 00:34:00.107
Considerations. Therefore, they take this extra money and they pay.

00:34:00.107 --> 00:34:03.267
you in terms of dividends in terms of buyback.

00:34:03.267 --> 00:34:06.547
and basically some sort of investment in maintenance.

00:34:06.547 --> 00:34:09.647
Therefore, I suggest that I would like to be in this.

00:34:09.647 --> 00:34:13.987
environment and simply collect. That's one thing banks always.

00:34:13.987 --> 00:34:16.047
benefit from higher.

00:34:16.797 --> 00:34:20.187
Interest rates, especially Canadian banks, relative to American.

00:34:20.187 --> 00:34:21.427
anks, American banks see.

00:34:22.097 --> 00:34:25.257
Why did the yield curve Canadian banks benefit?

00:34:25.257 --> 00:34:28.367
from the absolute increase in interest rates and interest rates?

00:34:28.367 --> 00:34:31.477
will be rising, especially low, low short term interest rates?

00:34:31.477 --> 00:34:34.857
by about 200 basis points over the next two years?

00:34:34.857 --> 00:34:38.047
So I would like to be part of it. In addition, Canadian banks.

00:34:38.047 --> 00:34:41.557
are sitting on a mountain of cash. This cache will go to again.

00:34:41.557 --> 00:34:45.037
bye bye bug stocks and.

00:34:45.037 --> 00:34:48.537
clearly increased dividends, something that I would like to be in.

00:34:48.537 --> 00:34:52.027
commodities in general, I like commodities at copper.

00:34:52.027 --> 00:34:53.017
because copper is the.

00:34:53.077 --> 00:34:56.147
Future given the electric car, I.

00:34:56.147 --> 00:34:59.207
like nickel.

00:34:59.207 --> 00:35:02.767
I think that it's China. Sorry, Russia is a major.

00:35:02.767 --> 00:35:05.787
supplier of nickel. It will not be in the market for a while. I would like to.

00:35:05.787 --> 00:35:08.847
be in this space as well. Agriculture will be part of it. I.

00:35:08.847 --> 00:35:11.867
would like to be there as well. In addition, I like.

00:35:11.867 --> 00:35:15.247
Big Rosales. Why? Because they can transfer.

00:35:15.247 --> 00:35:18.327
the cost to the consumer and many of them in.

00:35:18.327 --> 00:35:21.427
Canada are not linked to the supply chain issues and.

00:35:21.427 --> 00:35:24.707
they have the pricing power. So I would like to be there. So as you can see.

00:35:24.707 --> 00:35:24.707


00:35:24.817 --> 00:35:28.487
A lot of moving targets here, but if you ask the right questions.

00:35:28.487 --> 00:35:31.647
you can make sense out of this madness. I will stop here.

00:35:31.647 --> 00:35:33.587
Thank you very much for your attention.

00:35:33.657 --> 00:35:43.657

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